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BlackHero

Der Pali-Norddeutsche
Otaku Veteran
ja ich kann auch nur hoffen das er bald wieder in Action kommt, aber was mir noch mehr unter den Nägeln brennt ist, wie geht es mit Jiraya und seinen ehemaligen Schützlinge weiter? Stimmt Jirayas Theorie mit Kyuubi und Mandara? Wann gibt er sich endlich zu erkennen? Last but not least Warum hat der Yondaime Kyuubi in seinen eigenen Sohn versiegelt?

Ich kann es kaum noch erwarten bis die neuen chapter kommen, weiß einer wie lange das dauert bis ein neuer rauskommt?
 

Megaro

Gesperrt
Normal jede Woche einer, immer samstags oder spätestens sonntags liegt es translated vor, aber diese Woche kommt, meine ich gehört zu haben, keins
 

C4RN1F3X

Piraten-Wähler
VIP
Freitags sind die RAWs da und in der Regel Freitag Nacht bis Samstag Morgen dann die ersten Übersetzungen.

P.s. Was? Shonen Jump diese Woche auch nicht? Das geht ja gar nicht -.-
Kein Bleach, kein Naruto, keine Mangas... :spuck:
 

zeussor

Dark Messiah'z'
Otaku Veteran
Freitags sind die RAWs da und in der Regel Freitag Nacht bis Samstag Morgen dann die ersten Übersetzungen.

P.s. Was? Shonen Jump diese Woche auch nicht? Das geht ja gar nicht -.-
Kein Bleach, kein Naruto, keine Mangas... :spuck:
jo :|

wieso immer die pausen? wenn ich mal fragen darf?

@BlackHero
meinste das wo jiraya meint das er den Fuchs kontrolieren wird?
 

BlackHero

Der Pali-Norddeutsche
Otaku Veteran
@zeussor
Ich meine da wo Jiraya in dem Froschmagen ist und mit dem Frosch der die Fingerzeichen für das vier Elephanten Siegel bewahrt und da meint Jiraya das er nicht recht glauben kann das Kyuubi eine Naturkatastrophe ist, sondern der einzige der das Ding beschwören kann währe Marada Uchia.

@C4RN1F3X
Du nimmst mir die Worte aus dem Mund....was los mit denen haben die alle Urlaub???
 

PreLuderS

Scriptor
hm also diese woche kommen schon chapter raus - von naruto gibt es die raws shcon aber nur billige camshots...

nur anime(s) sind diese woche ned - aber auf shituden bzw cheapuden (:)) kann ich gut und gerne verzichten :P

Stimmt Jirayas Theorie mit Kyuubi und Mandara? <-- Laut einer Theorie hat der Kyuubi damals Madara ein wenig Energie "gespendet" damit dieser seinen Dad killen kann (Tengu) - davon hat dann der 1te Hokage Wind bekommen und es kam zum Kampf im Valley of Death... Naja is ne Theorie....

Die sollen im Manga fighten - in Story schreiben war der Kishi scho immer schlecht, wirkt alles so krampfhaft an den haaren herbeigezogen, alles muss verstrickt/ begründet sein


Abwarten und Tee trinken...

PS: Im aktuellen sieht man wie Jiraya einen Pain ausser gefecht setzt, etz hat er nur noch 5(6) die er zu killen hat :P und Konan soll sich den 5-tails Bijuu schnappen....
 

BlackHero

Der Pali-Norddeutsche
Otaku Veteran
Ne die Theorie ist ja das Madara Kyuubi beschwören hat. wie kann dann der vertraute Geist (so will ich es nennen) seinem Beschwörer energie spenden?
 

PreLuderS

Scriptor
Ne die Theorie ist ja das Madara Kyuubi beschwören hat. wie kann dann der vertraute Geist (so will ich es nennen) seinem Beschwörer energie spenden?

Bei den deutschen Begriffen stellen sich meine wenigen Haare zu Berge (vertraue Geist ...)

Das denkt im Manga Jiraya, aber ich schreib von der Tengu und Uchiha Clan Theorie, bis jetzt wurde leider vieles von dieser Theorie wahr - demnach hat Madara Kyubis Chakra gebraucht um seinen Dad zu killen... Naja man wird sehen...

:megane:
 

BlackHero

Der Pali-Norddeutsche
Otaku Veteran
könntest du mir mehr darüber erzählen, weil ich bin da etwas stutzig, weil ich denke der beschworene Geist, kann doch nur so stark sein wie das Level seinens Meisters, oder ist das eine Art Spezialbeschwörung, damit man auch stärkere Vertraute herbei rufen kann?
 

zeussor

Dark Messiah'z'
Otaku Veteran
Kyuubi ist aber kein "Vertrauter Geist" oder?
Mann die ollen sollen endlich mal weiter machen :/ Momentan gehen mir ca. 5-7 theorien durch den kopf wer gegen wen kämpfen wird etc.
 

zeussor

Dark Messiah'z'
Otaku Veteran
ja aber die basieren nicht auf fakten zumindest der größte teil davon deswegen schreibe ich lieber nix und lass mich überraschen aber die schweine brauchen echt lange *g*
 

PreLuderS

Scriptor
Also das ist alles eine alte Theorie(die meisten kennen sie sicherlich) - sie wurde entworfen als Naruto gg Itachi (Gaara Rescue Arc) gekämpft hat....Viele Sachen machen jedoch langsam Sinn - Ganz unten wäre der Link zu der Theorie!


Hyuuga clan is one of the oldest clans in Konoha. They have been there ever since the establishment of the hidden village. Many years ago there was a girl from Hyuuga clan who fell in love with an outsider. She decided to marry herself to the young man despite the strong protests from her own clan. But this man was no ordinary human. In fact, this man was not a human at all. His name was Sojobo. He was the King of Tengu.

There are two types of tengus, Karasu tengu (a crow-like creature with beak and wings) and Konoha tengu (also known as Yamabushi tengu). Sojobo was a Konoha tengu. He had long nose and white hair with a pair of black wings on his back. As the King of Tengu, Sojobo possessed some very mystical powers. He carried a fan made of Fatsia leaf that could create a storm (therefore people sometimes call this type of leaf as Tengu no Uchiwa or Tengu’s fan). He could teleport himself or any other things from one place to another. He could also communicate with people telepathically or even invade their minds and drive them to madness. Besides, Sojobo was also known for
his shapeshifting ability. He sometimes transformed himself into human to interact with people.




Konoha tengu

Anyway, this girl from Hyuuga was in love with Sojobo taking the human form without knowing his true identity.
She married him shortly after they met each other. A year or two later, she was pregnant and gave birth to their first son. Sojobo named this son Uchiha, Uchiha Madara, after Uchiwa which means fan. And of course as we know, fan also later became the symbol of this new clan.

Everything was good. Uchiha Madara soon grew up to become a very powerful shinobi. He not only inherited the Kekkei Genkai from his mother but with the Tengu blood inside him the Byakugan had evolved into an even more dreadful form—the Sharingan! This new bloodline had 2 levels: Normal Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharingan. Like his tengu father, Madara possessed some incredible magical powers. He was able to use telepathy to invade people’s minds, or even teleport himself across a short distance. When he turned on the Mangekyou Sharingan (he had the normal Sharingan on 24/7 just like his Hyuuga kin), the eyes would further intensify his powers and bring him even closer to a tengu form. He had developed 3 jutsus under this state, namely Tsukiyomi (to control people’s minds and drive them insane), Amaterasu (to teleport objects into another dimension)* and Susanoo (to create a storm like that created by a Tengu’s fan).


*You might be confused about this: when was it stated that Kakashi’s MS jutsu is Amaterasu? Well it has never been stated, it’s just another of my bold speculations. To make long story short,

Spoiler:
1) Tsukiyomi—God of the Moon
Full moon is usually related to going insane in urban legends. (Itachi used Tsukiyomi on Sasuke on a full moon night. Coincidence?)

MS Tsukiyomi: Drives people insane.

2) Amaterasu—Goddess of the Sun
Our Sun is a huge fireball. Its matter can warp the spacetime around it that produces an effect which we call gravity (In fact all matter can warp the spacetime around it, to a certain extent). Although our Sun doesn't have enough mass to form a blackhole, other more massive stars can, after their deaths (in a spectacular way called supernova explosion)

MS Amaterasu: Teleports things to another dimension by warping the spacetime, leaving a dark fire that will burn for 7 days and 7 nights to destroy the surroundings.

*A point supporting this is that Kakashi used his left eye to cast the jutsu and Amaterasu was born from the left eye of Izanagi.

3)Susanoo—God of the Storm

MS Susanoo: Creates a storm?


Telepathy?
Spoiler:

Sasuke invaded Naruto’s mind (Ch.308, p16)


Teleportation?
Spoiler:


Ch.224, p11



Ch.307, p14

Something to think about: Uchiha Shisui was feared as ”Shunshin no Shisui” but was it really the D-rank jutsu

Shunshin that he mastered or was it something else…


Because of his bravery and almost unparalleled powers, Madara soon became a hero in his people’s eyes despite his young age. He became very close friends with Shodaime and together they took up the responsibility to protect the Konoha village they established. Madara founded the first police force in the Konoha and swore to protect his people with his life.

But good things do not last long. As Madara was about to reach his adulthood, Sojobo began to reveal his true intention. Sojobo didn’t marry the girl from Hyuuga out of love. He was only looking for a perfect body, a container (probably to achieve greater powers), and he figured the best way was to create one with his own blood. He was planning on taking over Madara’s body once he reached his adulthood. It didn’t take Uchiha Madara long to find out this appalling truth. He felt a mixture of shock and anger. He felt he was being used but he wasn’t going to give in such easily, at least not without a fight. But Madara knew only too well that no matter how strong he was he stood no chance against the King of Tengu. Out of desperation he sought for the legendary

Bijuu—Kyuubi (the God of Fire).

Kyuubi was very impressed by Madara’s abilities. A secret pact was made and Kyuubi agreed to lend his power and chakra to Uchiha Madara. Soon Madara mastered the katon and he could even cast a dark fire that would burn for 7 days and 7 nights after performing the Amaterasu. But even with these newly gained powers and a huge supply of chakra from the Kyuubi, Uchiha Madara was only able to beat his demon father by a hair's breadth. He couldn’t finish him once and for all but only managed to seal him up. However, the seal he used was a very special one.

To break the seal it requires the Kyuubi's chakra and also not one but 3 Uchiha members who can wield the Mangekyou Sharingan. Each MS user has to cast a different MS jutsu at the same time and when the 3 jutsus--Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo--combine, the great evil will be unleashed. It's a tall order and Madara thought it would be enough to seal up the demon for eternity. But what Madara didn’t anticipate was that this seal itself would bring a bloody massacre upon his own clan many decades later…

Here I will derail a bit and talk about the relationship between Shodaime and Madara. When Shodai found out about the secret pact between Madara and Kyuubi he was enraged. He thought it was hunger for greater power that led his best friend to the Kyuubi. Madara didn’t explain to him either because he didn’t want anyone to know he was a half-demon. Conflicts began to appear between the two who were once close to each other. The intense hostility eventually resulted in a great battle at the Valley of the End. (You might think that I depicted Madara as too strong a character and therefore feel skeptical about Shodai being able to rival both MS and Kyuubi’s power at the same time. Well you better not forget that Shodai had the ability to suppress Kyuubi’s chakra and his darkness jutsu and suiton might be very good counter-moves to Madara's Sharingan and katon respectively as well.)

OK, have a look at these 2 pictures before I continue my story.


Sasuke stood on Uchiha Madara’s statue while Naruto stood on Shodai’s (Ch.218, p2)
Sasuke fell on the eye of Uchiha Madara’s statue (Ch.219, p16-17)




Alright, now back to the main story. Many years had come into past since Sojobo was sealed. The tengu’s blood in Uchiha clan was now no longer as pure as it once was. It was gradually being “diluted” by constant marriages with non-Uchihas over the generations. Now even the Normal Sharingan was possessed by only the elite few among Uchihas, let alone the Mangekyou Sharingan. But the dark history of the clan was anything but forgotten. A tengu shrine was built underneath the Nakano temple by some of the early Uchihas to keep all the secrets of the clan inside (including killing your loved one to gain MS which was discovered by some later Uchiha). Once an Uchiha member was thought to be reliable enough he would be informed about the secret meeting place and it would then become his life-long obligation to keep these secrets from outsiders. The Uchihas considered this dark history as an unspeakable shame and swore to protect the glory and dignity of their clan with their lives no matter what happened.



20 years ago, a new member was born into an Uchiha family. He soon proved himself to be a prodigy, even by the high standards of the Uchiha. He graduated at the top of his class at age 7, mastered the Sharingan at 8, became a Chunin at 10 and an ANBU squad leader at 13. His name was Uchiha Itachi. As Itachi was selected to become an ANBU his father Fugaku felt that it was the right time to tell him everything. Itachi learned about the Mangekyou Sharingan and the origin of his clan from his father. Deep inside his mind, an evil shadow began to take shape…
One night, when all men of Uchiha were supposed to gather at the secret meeting place two of them were absent. Itachi lured his best friend Uchiha Shisui to the Nakano river and started his horrendous plan. He assaulted and killed Uchiha Shisui on that night and obtained the accursed eye powers—Mangekyou Sharingan from the death of his friend. The next day when people found Uchiha Shisui’s body they also found a suicide note grabbed in his hand. But of course this note wasn’t really written by Shisui. Itachi forged his handwriting with the Sharingan to make it look like a suicide. What was written on the note is important because it reflects Itachi's feeling at that time.

Spoiler:


Ch.222, p7


Quote:
I’m tired of the duties…
there is no future for Uchiha…
and for me…
I cannot walk out the “path” any further…

I cannot walk out the “path” any further? What “path” was Itachi talking about?

Perhaps these will give you a better idea.

Spoiler:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5475/narutoch222p124cg.png
Ch,222, p12


http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6830/narutoch222p151uk.png
Ch,222, p15


Quote:
You hold onto your organization, your clan, your name…These things limit us and our capacities…These things
deserve to be shunned…It’s foolish to fear what we have yet to see and know!!

I’ve lost all hope for this pathetic clan.
Always living with fear—fear that people may find out the secrets of their clan, fear that people may know
Uchihas are actually descendants of demon—they all swore to take the secrets with them to the graveyard. This was the miserable life of every Uchiha member. Itachi was tired of all these. He could see no future for his clan. He didn’t understand why his people felt ashamed of their own past. He didn’t understand why his people didn’t see their superiority to the normal human beings. He didn’t understand why his people decided to seal up such a great power and not to use it. Itachi had lost all his hope for the Uchiha clan because of the pathetic “path” they had chosen.

From the moment Itachi heard about the origin of his clan he felt a weird sense of pleasure and superiority. He felt he was somehow more special than the others. Then his sick and twisted mind had gone even further. He wanted to set the tengu free. He was willing to sacrifice his body in exchange for probably the strongest power the world had ever seen. He was ready to offer his body to the Tengu King.

Soon Itachi had put his thoughts into action. When he learned about the Akatsuki’s plan to capture the Bijuus he decided to join them. He needed their help to get the Kyuubi’s chakra. But that’s not all. Itachi still had to find another 2 MS users. After awhile, he came across a second MS user who agreed to help him carry out his plan. Now all he needed was the third and last MS user.

Itachi knew his clan members would never kill their loved ones to get MS. He despised them. They were a bunch of cowards, useless …oh wait, Itachi suddenly came up with an idea—he could still use them to achieve his purpose.

He could use them to make his little brother the third MS user…
On a full-moon night, the ancient blood inside Itachi finally awakened and he had completely lost his mind. He killed his entire clan including his parents. Then he waited for his little brother Sasuke to come home. He wanted him to know he was the one who did it. He used Tsukiyomi on his brother to make sure such a traumatic picture would stay with him for the rest of his life. He wanted Sasuke to hate him. He wanted Sasuke to hate him enough to kill his own friend and activate the Mangekyou Sharingan. He told him about the secret meeting place so that he would find out everything. He wanted Sasuke to take the path he had paved for him—the path of an avenger...

Spoiler:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/706/22416wc6.jpg
Itachi said it was to measure his capacity/container (Ch.224, p16)


Spoiler:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4496/narutoch224p196np.png
Itachi told Sasuke the requirement to activate the Mangekyou Sharingan (Ch.224, p19)


Spoiler:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7077/narutoch225p047vi.png
Itachi told Sasuke the reason he let him live was because of his potential to become the third MS user (Ch.225, p 4)


Spoiler:

Sasuke found out the secrets of his clan inside the Tengu shrine.(Ch.225, p11)


Spoiler:

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7750/nakanoae2.png
A closer look at the Tengu shrine. Notice the 2 tengu images on the walls.

Spoiler:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3193/narutoch231p1819pngww4.jpg
Sasuke told Naruto that he was even more special (Ch.231, p18-19)


Spoiler:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4157/2320607mx4.jpg
The tengu blood inside Sasuke was awakened by his intention to kill his best friend. A pair of black wings grew on his back and his hair turned white, making him strikingly resemble Sojobo, the tengu king. (Ch.232, p6-7)


Spoiler:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7634/23217fe4.jpg
Sasuke charged at Naruto with a dark chidori (Ch.232, p17)

The other 3 occasions where we saw something like this were Naruto’s dark Rasengan, Itachi’s dark fire (Amaterasu) and mini Kyuubi’s dark orb. This mysterious power was probably related to the pact between Uchiha clan and Kyuubi


Hints or Coincidences?
You decide it yourself.

1) *****
Quote:
Tengu statues in Chapter 314


Konoha tengu (left) and Karasu tengu
Spoiler:

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/2567/narutoch314p04mqinane3gl.png
Sojobo, the Tengu King

Spoiler:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/BlueGFX/Other/Tengu.png



2)*****
Quote:
Ch.181, p4 (Official proof that Kishi is evil)

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/893/narutoch181p04lc4.png
What? You didn't notice anything unusual? Take a closer look.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/893/narutoch181p04lc4.png
There are 5 katakanas on that scroll: テングウチ or Tengu Uchi. There should be a sixth katakana below which is either ワ wa or ハ ha. (Thanks are due to shiinji and Chamcham Trigger ^^)

Oh, there is also a tengu plushie hidden somewhere in that room. Please find it.


3)****
Quote:
Tengus are said to emanate from the primordial Japanese god of sea and storm Susanoo, Susanoo was the brother of

Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu.


4)***
Quote:
Uchiha Shrine wallpaper

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2105/tengukq7nv9.png

Tengu Geta (One-toothed sandal)?

http://www.karankoron.com/images_geta/geta_ipponba_kani_ana_1.jpg

Also there is a bit on the posture of that creature.
Quote:
Perching
On one foot: Shows that a bird feels comfortable in his surroundings and secure in his environment. A secure bird will sleep with one foot tucked up to his abdomen and his head turned around and tucked into his back feathers.
Tengu is not exactly a bird but it's bird-like, so they may have similar behaviours. Also as pointed out by Quonina, many birds sleep on one foot. It probably implies that the tengu is "sleeping" or currently in a dormant state while being sealed up.


5)***
Quote:
Sometimes tengus are depicted with a flute and a magical gourd with endless sake (Thanks to QuoNina).

Chapter 15 cover
Spoiler:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4707/15cgr6.jpg


6)***
Quote:

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=4702349&postcount=373
The images on the wall of Uchiha's shrine symbolize a merge between Tengu and Hyuuga clan? (Thanks to shiinji)


7)***
Quote:


Compare the fans in these 2 pics

Sojobo image

http://www.aisf.or.jp/~jaanus/deta/data_image/image_t/tengu.jpg


Sasuke's fan and armguard (with a Hyuuga emblem on it) (Thanks to Sasuke 3759 for the pic)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6069/narutoartbook0783dw.jpg



8)***
Quote:
Tengus are said to be crow-spirits. When Itachi used a genjutsu on Naruto, Naruto saw him turned into a flock of crows.

Spoiler:
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8056/25904gd8.jpg
Ch.259, p4



9)**
Quote:
Ch.197, p8
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4016/narutoch197p08le4.png

Ch.197, p9
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6359/narutoch197p09nf0.png
Neji: I still couldn't detect the last bird (crow). (Thanks to uncle jafuncle)

Neji failing to see the last crow was a hint on how that Hyuuga woman failed to see through the King of Tengu, thus allowing the possibility of the Uchiha clan being born? (Thanks to uchiha_sakura4)


10)**
Quote:
We all know that many character's names in Naruto have their special meanings. They are usually related to some characteristics of the characters. For example, "Uzumaki" means "spiral".
Here, guess what does "Kakashi" mean in Japanese. It means "scarecrow"(XD). Who is the "crow"? Sasuke? Itachi?

Or some other Uchiha?
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7066/kakashiis0.png


Thanks for reading.


Quelle: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576&page=93
 
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